Saturday, June 4, 2016

Interviews - Abde

I interviewed Abde:


Some observations:
  • Abde immediately describes himself in terms of his philosophical beliefs, his views in an intellectual, disembodied domain. He completely ignores, until prompted, describing himself in terms of any worldly activity
  • Refers to himself as an abstract referent -- "One must have knowledge in order to deal with the world"
  • No forethought to issues of practical life, but no lack of forethought in terms of understanding the condition of self. "Through those dreams [activities] you can understand more about yourself and what you want, but nothing really useful, practically" 29:55
  • Lack of specificity "Details really annoy me and bore me to death"
Some verbal themes:
  • Anticipation, doubt, worry
  • Lost, searching, approach to colleagiate study shows little direction or commitment.
  • Disembodiment, lack of connection to reality, interests reflect a preference for "out of reality", world-building, art, intellectual activities, video games.
  • Searching for something "worth" living for, "I am kinda nihilistic, kinda rejecting when something is not worth"
  • "I make friends with everyone"
My view is that Abde is the IEI.

The themes presented in Abde's interview are unambiguous. There are two general principles in these themes:
  1. Abde lives a life, unattached to reality
  2. Abde lacks realism and practical focus, has little sense of detail.
My theory is that Se valuing types have the attitude of world-rejection -- that is, they find the world around them not worthy of their attention and instead direct their attention towards themselves and their personal accomplishments, or towards fantasy worlds that seem to have greater detachment or enjoyability than the existing mundane world. This theory has not fully held up over time; Se ego types, particularly Se dominant types don't recognize themselves, and aren't, disinterested in the world around them. But Ni dominant types do correctly represent this theme of "rejection" -- a topic which Abde describes directly, and repeatedly in the interview, in the form of preference for world-building, physically inactive entertainment, and also in the conscious reflection on the part of life that seems too mundane, and insufficiently grand in scale to be meaningful.

I would say that Abde's world-rejection further takes another form: rejection of pragmatic constraints of the world, taking instead a preference for having a broader vision of what is possible, than what is pragmatially feasible right now. This type of world-rejection is specific to the beta quadra with Ni+Fe and not the gamma quadra with Ni+Te. We see it in Abde in what he describes as a lack of detail -- he shows a persistent unwillingness to attend to "useful skills" (as is discussed directly in the interview), a persistent lack of focus in his own activities and studies, and ultimately a persistent preference to communicate, and present himself, as a disembodied, unconstrained entity.

I interpret this lack of focus, as noted, as a sort of rejection of the constraints of the surrounding reality; an unconscious preference for the simplicity of fantasy, compared to the difficulties and anxieties of living. There is no lack of thought about the human condition -- but there is an instinctive tendency to make generalizations rather than specific ideas about the human condition, and there is likewise a lack of focus about how to navigate the tangible choices of life.


It is important to recognize that the anxiety about life, and the unwillingness to engage with it, paradoxically exist side by side. I don't directly have much to say about this in socionics terms. Note that one of the first and most repeated things Abde describes about himself, is that he is very anxious. That isn't the only way the IEI presents, but it isn't at all uncommon for this type. Many different types will be anxious, about different reasons, but the sort of existential anxiety Abde presents -- worrying about life on a grand scale, and the ability of individuals to craft themselves particular experiences and purposes of living -- I think, is something likely for Ni valuing introverts, though certainly possible with other types also. I would say Abde seems to have anxieties about living; that is, about the correct realization of the self and the correct place of the self in the world. By contrast we don't see much evidence that Abde has, for instance, anxiety in social situations. In the interview he mentions social situations relatively little, and at least at the present moment in time (at the time of the interview, a month and a half ago now at the time of writing) doesn't seem to be caught up by them.

I don't entirely know how to interpret Abde's comments that he easily "makes friends with everyone." During the interview, I was not in great doubt about what I was observing (and went into some detail about the spiritual progress of what I was observing), but I probably should have asked Abde to expand on this point. I wonder whether the ability to make friends with everyone, and keep at a peaceable distance from everyone, is a result of malleability of self, or a willingness to dynamically present the self to match the circumstances. But I did not probe this line of questions.

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